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OAF annual

i think the annual, the book, should be an expression of OAF Editorial consensus.
I mean : just to hold down the number of opinions so that a book can actually be produced.
in a journalistic, rather than artistic way, if you see how i mean.
american samizdat in the tradition of Yugen or Floating Bear
or Jay Dougherty's own efforts in the past and now

I mean: thank you for hosting this site.
Now you (you & your fellow editors) tell us what you see
and what you yourself(s) express
in the form of an annual issue.

just make a PDF that looks like a book
the cover can be color,
and i think there are artists in residence who would not object if their art were used as a cover . . .8^) . . .

to lighten your load(s) in such an extra production,
i feel most everyone participating in the site
would be happy to assist in any way
including me
 
I'd like to see the art and photographs reproduced in color, though. Is that prohibitively expensive? :eek:

It's called "four-color" in the printing biz, and much more expensive than b&w or even two-color. I used two-color for the cover of my 1982 chapbook, because four-color was out of my reach.

If the collection goes to print and includes my own "You Can't Fake Wisdom," I'll contribute $100 to the production costs.



P.S. Soodabeh has translated my poem into Farsi! An incredible honor and a first for me.
 
I spent a few hours today trying to find the plug-in that I used to export posts reasonably to a bunch of docx files, and I can't find it now.

You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to export WordPress posts to a Word doc that's in any kind of shape to be worked with. Most plug-ins export the posts without the author info, and that's obviously no good.

It's really insane. The best way, it seems, is to copy and paste from the post pages here into a doc, and then massage from there. Very time consuming!

If anyone finds a solution, let me know. Otherwise, I'm giving up on this effort. Too much work.
 
Jay it’s okay...judiciously guard your spare time. This is an online site that we signed up for...strictly donation based. I’m good with it staying online only.

I sympathize with members who want to see this happen though.
 
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Jay it’s okay...judiciously guard your spare time. This is an online site that we signed up for...strictly donation based. I’m good with it staying online only.

I sympathize with members who want to see this happen though.

If I'm stuck with copying and pasting, the only thing I can think to do is to make the pubs bite-sized chunks, like monthlies or quarterlies. Toyed with this idea of paper publishing for literally over a decade, though, and nothing has happened. There's always an obstacle that makes the effort more trouble than it's worth. In the early days of PC, the editors and I tried to get together and publish something, but the whole thing stalled when there were questions over which pieces were worth including. My conclusion is/was that things like this are primarily a one-person show. Too many cooks, etc.
 
over they years i've been involved in a number of publications/anthologies that were done with

Ingram Spark
https://www.ingramspark.com/features

you send them a pdf that meets their specifications

they also have a nice range of finished sizes to select

they have been very reliable and the printing quality of the cover and inside pages is great

you can set your sales price for each world market : currency, prices etc

and you can select the % of sales commission that you give to retailers....and online retailers

as the publisher you can also order copies directly from them at coast price
and send shipments directly to authors so that they do not have pay a sales commission fee to Amazon etc etc etc

and you are NOT married to or molested by Amazon management practices
the book will also be featured on all of these other outlets

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You are right. Amazon's greediness and competitive edge shows up everytime.

It seems that I make some sales from Amazon and I can check how I'm doing at anytime and also make changes to my books whenever needed, free of charge. I guess that's the plus side about Amazon when it comes to publishers.

I also use Ingram Sparks. I think a much wider distribution is the advantage Ingramsparks has, while they seem to suck in so many ways when compared to Amazon.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. I guess it comes down to the publisher and their specific goals. I use both distributors. Both can be greedy at times. I trust both. When it comes to convenient features, Amazon wins. But when it comes to a more beautiful product Ingramsparks wins. So yeah, both are great competitors in the world of publishers, so comes down to what a publisher is trying to do and which distributor seem to serve that purpose better.
 
It seems that I make some sales from Amazon and I can check how I'm doing at anytime and also make changes to my books whenever needed, free of charge.

I'm glad to hear that you're making sales! I was wondering whether anyone actually does. I think when I retire I'll have the time to put together a few books. Won't expect to sell any, though!
 
Despite my preference for online publishing, making my own chapbook in 1982 was a wonderful experience. Sold them at my readings (people like a souvenir) and gave out copies at ABA to Gary Owens, Frank Capra & Timothy Leary. One copy is filed in Special Collections at Shields Library, UC Davis. Remainders are in a cardboard box out in the garage, and I occasionally send them out to online admirers.
 
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Despite my preference for online publishing, making my own chapbook in 1982 was a wonderful experience. Sold them at my readings (people like a souvenir) and gave out copies at ABA to Gary Owens, Frank Capra & Timothy Leary. One copy is filed in Special Collections at Shields Library, UC Davis. Remainders are in a cardboard box out in the garage, and I occasionally send them out to online admirers.

The trouble with online publications is that they last only as long as the site does. Paper is "real." I still have pretty much all of my "paper" publications from back in the 80s--little mags, chapbooks, etc. Real, man. Real.

 
>>>they last only as long as the site does<<<

Old sites are archived at the Wayback Machine and elsewhere, I'm sure. https://archive.org/web/ Parts of my PLEDGE RESTORATION PROJECT website of 1996 can still be found here. It's been said nothing ever truly dies online: an observation which scares normal people but is good for poets.

GOING VIRAL

How many poems written by a single poet reside in a culture's memory? Usually it's just one. When I type JABBERWOCKY, the name of Lewis Carrol comes to mind. But who knows other poems by this author? (I mean without looking them up.) William Carlos Williams gets THE RED WHEELBARROW, and T.S. Eliot gets two: PRUFROCK and THE WASTELAND. I think anybody here on OAF would be thrilled to have just one of their poems added to the canon which is remembered and republished, even after they're gone: I certainly would.

(Gertrude Stein, the greatest female poet of the 20th century, gets but a single phrase: "A rose is a rose is a rose....")

Poetry began as an oral art designed to be remembered and passed to future generations — hence techniques like meter and rhyme were developed to aid memorization. A poem won't long survive if it doesn't affect and alter the consciousness of a generation. Putting the poem on paper can help the process, but it's the generational consciousness which matters: not the paper and ink.

The Internet far surpasses paper printing when it comes to distributing text to a wide audience. The first is stored in electrons which travel by wire and wireless transmission such as satellite and wifi; the second is stored on paper which must be shipped by car, truck, or through the mail. I don't know the differential between how many people have read my poetry online vs. in print, but the numbers hugely favor the digital method.

The goal of a poem is to get itself copied and distributed by strangers. If the poem sits where it was originally published or posted, nothing will happen. "My Universe" — a didactic poem of mine — went viral in '96 off a small email discussion group for atheists. (The poem is a critique of how atheism was being represented to the public at that time.)

Back in the 90's you could Google three or four pages of results to find this poem spread out across the western world. Now, twenty-three years later, the search is down to just a few links [my universe + lance jencks]. But it's still there!

A DISEMBODIED ENERGY

I've always wanted to be a disembodied energy instead of a corporal body, and I'm sure this relates to my lifelong tremor: things I physically touch tend to break. I couldn't repair cars, but I could type ... why I became a writer, for the typing.

So digital distribution is a natural for me: I don't have to handle objects.

(Now I'm facing a question of how much longer I'll be able to type. We shall see.)

WHAT MATTERS IS THE POEM

Too many poets focus on what their poem can do for them. "Will it earn me money? Will it bring me recognition or fame?"

This is not what poetry is about. A great poem produces a global change of consciousness ... an "ah-ha" moment when those who encounter the poem see or feel something new and different. Something worth preserving.

I understand how difficult it is to release a poem online without knowing where it will wind up or who will see it ... we all want credit for what we do.

Setting aside financial renumeration ... pretty much a fool's errand in American poetry! ... setting money aside, I find that people want to credit my name when they copy & repost my online poems. Indeed, because the name is always attached to the poems, I've never once seen one reproduced without it.

(If people like your poem, they will also be interested in you.)

CONCLUSION

Did I mention a teacher in Tibet - himself a Tibetan - recently contacted me on Facebook Messenger to say he finds my writing "beautiful"? Yes, and the same thing has happened with people in India & Germany as well.

(Foreigners appreciate our language more than we do!)

In my view, being a poet is not about fame, and certainly not about money. It's about the experience.

P.S. Just set up a new group on Quora called Poet's Corner. We'll see what happens there.
 
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Nice response, Lance. Thanks.

Putting the poem on paper can help the process, but it's the generational consciousness which matters: not the paper and ink.

This is true, I'd say, for the poems that gain some significance. For us minor poets, the artifact stuffed somewhere among our belongings is more important than a Web site that no one remembers.

The Internet far surpasses paper printing when it comes to distributing text to a wide audience.

True in many cases. I've seen poems on sites that had fewer than 50 views, if one can believe the view counters (I suspect one can). I used to publish, oh, maybe 200 max copies of Clock Radio back in the day, distributed mostly, but not solely, to contributors (some libraries subscribed).

If the poem sits where it was originally published or posted, nothing will happen.

Likely.

Now, twenty-three years later, the search is down to just a few links. [my universe + lance jencks] But it's still there!

Nice.

Now I'm facing a question of how much longer I'll be able to type. We shall see.

Same. Some days my hands feel so swollen I can't type, or shouldn't.

To me one of the great things about poetry online is the opportunity actually to hear from readers. I've since learned that some writers do not want to hear from readers. That was a revelation to me. Everyone's different.
 
To me one of the great things about poetry online is the opportunity actually to hear from readers. I've since learned that some writers do not want to hear from readers. That was a revelation to me. Everyone's different.


well i guess there is a difference for some writers
between a forum
and submitting only to wish to be on the Front Page
with no replies


indeed if you are published in a print publication/magazine etc etc
you can then walk around in a bubble thinking that everybody in the world loves your poem
even if the reality might be that it is only the editor who likes it



i look forward to the OAF 'print' anthology
and offer many thankyuuus to David Matthews for his kindness to see that it comes to fruition

~
 
indeed if you are published in a print publication/magazine etc etc
you can then walk around in a bubble thinking that everybody in the world loves your poem
even if the reality might be that it is only the editor who likes it

Well put. Most journals reflect the tastes of one or a very few people.

The design of this site accommodates both artists who like comments on their work as well as those who don't want to see them.

https://openartsforum.com/forum/thr...-or-submit-work-on-the-forum.1961/#post-60088

Also the fact that we have so many editors here means, I hope, that a greater diversity of work gets represented. Certainly I always look forward to seeing what the other editors select.
 
I'm glad to hear that you're making sales! I was wondering whether anyone actually does. I think when I retire I'll have the time to put together a few books. Won't expect to sell any, though!
Lol... not without some effort on my part and a little bit of research on how. I get a little something next to nothing for self promoting. I learned couple techniques along the way that I can share, but I also realized there's no guarantee. The techniques only increases my chances. In a month, I consider my self fortunate if I make between $13 and $25. Now because I use both distributors, sometimes one make up for the lack in the other with a measly sum.

I realized:
1. an esthetically professionally pleasing cover might increase my chances.
2. Keywords that may help with the algorithms. I suggest using the kewords that pop which customers are already using which are popular in the Amazon platform. I also suggest putting in as many of those keywords that Amazon and Ingram Sparks will allow. I think looking for categories which successful books are categorized in and select those.
3. I also suggest publishing more than one format for each book. Ebooks, paperback, and audio. The more format for each book, the your chances of making a sale increases.
4. And I also take advantage of Amazon's advertisements.
 
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Lol... not without some effort on my part and a little bit of research on how. I get a little something next to nothing for self promoting. I learned couple techniques along the way that I can share, but I also realized there's no guarantee. The techniques only increases my chances. In a month, I consider my self fortunate if I make between $13 and $25. Now because I use both distributors, sometimes one make up for the lack in the other with a measly sum.

Not sure how, but I stumbled upon this recently. It's kinda funny, kinda sad.

 
well i guess there is a difference for some writers
between a forum
and submitting only to wish to be on the Front Page
with no replies

indeed if you are published in a print publication/magazine etc etc
you can then walk around in a bubble thinking that everybody in the world loves your poem
even if the reality might be that it is only the editor who likes it



i look forward to the OAF 'print' anthology
and offer many thankyuuus to David Matthews for his kindness to see that it comes to fruition

~
Book is all-but-print-ready.
still waiting on permissions from: Lisa Summe, Mélissa O'Flaherty, Rob Breeding

Niall withdrew his poem as placed-otherwhere, and i told him i might wait until May
when it is published, so that it could be included (with credit/acknowledgement)
but i grow antsy . . .
so i will wait a while on these 4, but not very long, i have other projects to fill my bandwidth . . .

@Jay Dougherty : how can i help you realize your plans for a OAF 2020 annual,
or even quarterly issues? you drive, I'll push . . . 8^) . . .

dem
 
i just received my copy of the OAF Poetry 2019
and wanted to send out a thankyuuu to David Matthews

hopefully
a 2020 version will make its way to the printing presses with a wider sampling
of authors

silent lotus

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Congratulations to all who made the OAF Annual! Special thanks to David E. Matthews for marshaling the project to completion.

(I tried to bribe my way in, but it didn't work, sad to say.)

>>>P.S. Just set up a new group on Quora called Poet's Corner. We'll see what happens there.<<<

Regarding my announcement of 12.29.19 above ... as of today Poet's Corner at Quora counts 26,500 "Followers" (Readers & Contributors) of and to the Group. These are ordinary people who want to write English-language poetry, and I do my best to help them succeed. Names like Mike Burch, Edwin El-Mahassni, Paleb Salekin, Lucuiene La Luna, Omsreekrishna Prayaga, and the estimable Anais Voinet, who, at age 15, puts the rest of us to shame!

(No kidding ... she really does.)

In addition to getting to pontificate about poetics, the benefit to me is I get to see which of my poems generate the most interest among this broad-based, geographically diversified general audience. Their favorites are rarely my own favorites — which I suppose says more about me than it does about them.

~~

Watching an English TV series about British villages. Just now the Village of Uffington was introduced as home of the poet John Betjeman (1906-1984). 90 year-old Marcella appears onscreen to recite a Betjeman poem from memory. It was taught to her at the age of 8 ... and still lodged deep inside her brain!

This is my idea of poetic success. The poem is more than ink on paper: it's a living memory of the poet's work, recited today some 36 years after his demise.

-L
 
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